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Sam and I have decided to have a BABY!!!!

Date: 2006-04-13 09:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] birthrightgreen.livejournal.com
We have Protocol, yes. Social laws designed to keep the balance of power in check. To protect the weaker among us. To care for the land and the landen--those who are not Blood. Who have no Craft. No magic. Not everyone follows it and it's been twisted into something to oppress, but that's not what it's supposed to be.

Date: 2006-04-13 09:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shaman-x.livejournal.com
*nods* The Skrull's edicts against mutants started as an attempt to stop a disease, sort of like an accelerated cancer, in which their natural shape-shifting abilities went into overdrive, each cell attempting to transform repeatedly and independently... These days it's used as an excuse to weed out anyone that might a threat to their genetic 'purity'. Good intentions always seem to get usurped.

Date: 2006-04-13 09:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] birthrightgreen.livejournal.com
People with enough power can twist anything when no one's strong enough to stand up to them.

Date: 2006-04-13 10:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shaman-x.livejournal.com
This is why democracy never works; it's not the politics of the people, it's the politics of high media and special interests. I like collectives but they only work properly on small scales and they have a tendency towards being insular so extra-collection interaction doesn't work. And tyranny's no good because even when your tyrant is actual benevolent it's also inevitable that they'll get old or die or replaced or fail to change to adapt to changing circumstances. But total anarchy never works either because the triumph of individualism is always followed by the break down of everything else 'cause, you know, people suck, so. Shit happens.

Date: 2006-04-13 10:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] birthrightgreen.livejournal.com
*blinks slightly*

The mere idea of democracy is a terrifying one. People are sheep and have no idea what's best for them. But yes, I've seen tyranny on the negative side and... *considers* Jaenelle is not a tyrant. But she is a Queen. One who looks after her people. But there is little to say that when we are gone, things won't change again.

People...suck?

Date: 2006-04-13 10:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shaman-x.livejournal.com
They do. And not in the good way, either.

Date: 2006-04-13 10:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] birthrightgreen.livejournal.com
*amused*

The good way I understand. I haven't heard it used in this other fashion.

Date: 2006-04-13 10:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shaman-x.livejournal.com
Disgustingly disagreeable. There's some suggestion the slang term originates from early Jazz tradition in the 1920s when musicians said players who had a good sound when playing horns could really blow; hence 'he doesn't blow, he sucks' to be bad and thence into common usage. Although that's possible apocryphal to allow it into dictionaries and the like without having to make references to fellatio, although I've never really understood why 'cocksucker' is considered an insult. Maybe because it's incorrectly seen as a submissive act and our culture rates power and dominance as features of a successful person.

...on occasion I talk too much, you should feel free to stop me at any time.

Date: 2006-04-13 10:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] birthrightgreen.livejournal.com
I don't mind the talking. It's very informative.

We rate power and dominance as features of success in a way, too, I suppose.

You don't see it as a submissive act?

Date: 2006-04-13 10:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shaman-x.livejournal.com
Well, I'm not saying it can't be, I mean, it often is, especially if consent is dubious, coerced or non-extant, but-- Inherently submissive? No way! For one thing, we have teeth, you know?

Date: 2006-04-13 10:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] birthrightgreen.livejournal.com
You are absolutely right about the teeth, sugar. If using them costs more than submitting though...*shrugs*

Date: 2006-04-13 10:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shaman-x.livejournal.com
But in a coercive enviroment any performed act is an act of submission because of the coercion, not the act itself. And, and, and if you're, I dunno, okay, if you blow a guy so he won't kill you, that's actually an act of control, isn't it? I mean, choice, compromise as a form of, or, or, or at least an attempt to-towards self-determination. Just 'cause all your choices are crappy doesn't mean you don't have a choice. Not submissive. ...or if you're using it as a bargaining tool! Not submissive. And if you're doing it right, I mean, you can slow down, you can speed up, you can make them beg you to finish them, you, uh, you, um. *slight blush* Okay, suddenly I'm really uncomfortable talking about this with my Dad's girlfriend.

Date: 2006-04-13 11:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] birthrightgreen.livejournal.com
*rueful smile*

We can change the subject then. I hadn't expected to get into a discussion of the....finer points of the act, myself. You're right about the control aspect, I suppose, and bargaining tools.

New subject?

Date: 2006-04-14 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shaman-x.livejournal.com
Okay. Um. Oh! I see the five question thing has come up again. That's always fun! Ask me?

Date: 2006-04-14 06:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] birthrightgreen.livejournal.com
All right..

1. If you could change any one thing about yourself, would you and if so, what would it be?
2. What is the best thing about being a mutant?
3. How do you like being married?
4. Why do people say there is gold at the end of a rainbow?
5. Where is your favorite place and time to visit with all the jumping around you do?

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